Human behavior is not always rational or easily categorized. Theories of bounded rationality and cognitive biases illustrate that people often act in ways that deviate from purely logical or self-serving motivations due to limitations in cognitive processing and judgment errors.
• Reference: Simon, H. A. (1957). Models of Man: Social and Rational. Mathematical Essays on Rational Human Behavior in a Social Setting.
In summary, while people frequently act based on perceived obligations, normative beliefs, hedonic motivations, or pain avoidance, their behavior can be more complex and influenced by a myriad of factors. These motivations often overlap and interact, making it difficult to assert that people always act according to one of these four categories exclusively.
While these categories provide a framework for understanding human motivation, integrative theories suggest that human behavior often results from a complex interplay of these factors rather than a single motivation.
• Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: Maslow proposed that human actions are motivated by a hierarchy of needs, from basic physiological needs to self-actualization. This model implies that different motivations might dominate at different times.
o Reference: Maslow, A. H. (1943). A Theory of Human Motivation. Psychological Review, 50(4), 370-396.
• Self-Determination Theory (SDT): SDT posits that people are motivated by intrinsic and extrinsic factors, including the need for autonomy, competence, and relatedness. This theory integrates aspects of hedonic motivation, normative behavior, and avoidance of pain.
o Reference: Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (2000). The "What" and "Why" of Goal Pursuits: Human Needs and the Self-Determination of Behavior. Psychological Inquiry, 11(4), 227-268.
In my perception it can be simplyfied by breaking it into half.
By melting "must do and should do" together, because it's effect one the heart is the same. It sucks because of neglecting one's individuel needs focusing on external (extrinsic) requirements, formed with the conditioned mind. Therefore the sensations designed by ego perceived as a burden, because of being formed by a slavery mind. The 2nd pillar of behaivor (not the first one)
3+4 The "Want to" senses gratifications, of "Pleasure and Pain" can be melted together.
Those are foundational intrinsic desire's formed by souls needs and a creator mind - symbolized with the heart. Constructed by Source. The perception relies on feeling one's own spiritual connection/ development and not compromises.
They are perceived both as 1.
The alignment of both, is a fluid process, building the bridge/ closing the gap to activate its original vibration.
That perception can't be grasp by Ai. It's beyond mind. It requires a certain degree of human components to understand.
One of my favorite talks I had online was with a neuropsychologist and at one point I asked him about the difficulties I have between noticing what is “Me” and what is “you” across conversations and trying to keep things clean, and he rather fortifyingly said that that was pretty much just learning to be with people. That’s what it’s like.
lol, I appreciate the references but it sounds like chat gpt is in the same boat with us around how custom any given decision is across myriad reasonings (and irrational ones)
Reading these last two posts, I wondered: “why do people do what they do?” The answer is that they do what their minds direct them to do. But can we characterize this is some useful way? So, I asked ChapGPT-3.5: Do people always do either (1) what they think they must do, (2) what they think they should do, (3) what they think will make them happy, or (4) what they think will ease or avoid pain? Give references.
In three parts it’s answer is in the comments below.
I love the statement to let peoples waters rush in whatever direction they are already going...such a powerful reminder that the change they choose is the one they actually incorporate
o Obligatory Actions: People often engage in actions they perceive as mandatory due to societal, legal, or moral obligations. This can be explained by theories of duty and obligation in deontological ethics (Kantian ethics being a prime example).
o Reference: Kant, I. (1785). Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals.
2. What they think they should do:
o Normative Actions: Actions driven by normative beliefs about what is right or appropriate, often shaped by cultural norms, personal values, or ethical considerations.
o Reference: Schwartz, S. H. (1977). Normative Influences on Altruism. In L. Berkowitz (Ed.), Advances in Experimental Social Psychology (Vol. 10, pp. 221-279).
3. What they think will make them happy:
o Hedonic Motivation: Pursuing activities expected to increase personal happiness or pleasure is central to theories of hedonism and utility in psychology and economics.
o Reference: Kahneman, D., Diener, E., & Schwarz, N. (1999). Well-being: The Foundations of Hedonic Psychology.
4. What they think will ease or avoid pain:
o Pain Avoidance: Behavioral psychology posits that much of human behavior is driven by the desire to avoid discomfort or pain, aligning with theories of operant conditioning (Skinner).
o Reference: Skinner, B. F. (1953). Science and Human Behavior.
ChatGPT-3.5 Part 3:
Critique and Complexity
Human behavior is not always rational or easily categorized. Theories of bounded rationality and cognitive biases illustrate that people often act in ways that deviate from purely logical or self-serving motivations due to limitations in cognitive processing and judgment errors.
• Reference: Simon, H. A. (1957). Models of Man: Social and Rational. Mathematical Essays on Rational Human Behavior in a Social Setting.
In summary, while people frequently act based on perceived obligations, normative beliefs, hedonic motivations, or pain avoidance, their behavior can be more complex and influenced by a myriad of factors. These motivations often overlap and interact, making it difficult to assert that people always act according to one of these four categories exclusively.
ChatGPT-3.5 Part 2:
Integrative Perspectives
While these categories provide a framework for understanding human motivation, integrative theories suggest that human behavior often results from a complex interplay of these factors rather than a single motivation.
• Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: Maslow proposed that human actions are motivated by a hierarchy of needs, from basic physiological needs to self-actualization. This model implies that different motivations might dominate at different times.
o Reference: Maslow, A. H. (1943). A Theory of Human Motivation. Psychological Review, 50(4), 370-396.
• Self-Determination Theory (SDT): SDT posits that people are motivated by intrinsic and extrinsic factors, including the need for autonomy, competence, and relatedness. This theory integrates aspects of hedonic motivation, normative behavior, and avoidance of pain.
o Reference: Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (2000). The "What" and "Why" of Goal Pursuits: Human Needs and the Self-Determination of Behavior. Psychological Inquiry, 11(4), 227-268.
Amazing analyzation. My head is still spinning...
In my perception it can be simplyfied by breaking it into half.
By melting "must do and should do" together, because it's effect one the heart is the same. It sucks because of neglecting one's individuel needs focusing on external (extrinsic) requirements, formed with the conditioned mind. Therefore the sensations designed by ego perceived as a burden, because of being formed by a slavery mind. The 2nd pillar of behaivor (not the first one)
3+4 The "Want to" senses gratifications, of "Pleasure and Pain" can be melted together.
Those are foundational intrinsic desire's formed by souls needs and a creator mind - symbolized with the heart. Constructed by Source. The perception relies on feeling one's own spiritual connection/ development and not compromises.
They are perceived both as 1.
The alignment of both, is a fluid process, building the bridge/ closing the gap to activate its original vibration.
That perception can't be grasp by Ai. It's beyond mind. It requires a certain degree of human components to understand.
ChatGPT doesn’t say this, but I think it’s useful to try to differentiate between instinct and reasoning.
One of my favorite talks I had online was with a neuropsychologist and at one point I asked him about the difficulties I have between noticing what is “Me” and what is “you” across conversations and trying to keep things clean, and he rather fortifyingly said that that was pretty much just learning to be with people. That’s what it’s like.
Yep. In your mind are just chimeras of yourself and of me. Keeping the labels in place takes practice.
lol, I appreciate the references but it sounds like chat gpt is in the same boat with us around how custom any given decision is across myriad reasonings (and irrational ones)
Yep. After all, ChatGPT is just takes apart a bunch of stuff on the web and echoes it back to us.
Reading these last two posts, I wondered: “why do people do what they do?” The answer is that they do what their minds direct them to do. But can we characterize this is some useful way? So, I asked ChapGPT-3.5: Do people always do either (1) what they think they must do, (2) what they think they should do, (3) what they think will make them happy, or (4) what they think will ease or avoid pain? Give references.
In three parts it’s answer is in the comments below.
I love the statement to let peoples waters rush in whatever direction they are already going...such a powerful reminder that the change they choose is the one they actually incorporate
I was having a tough time trying to convey the images in my head that represented the experience so I went literal and you so get it
No doubt. You are not alone with that. It took me a while to unentangle my brain..
ChatGPT-3.5 Part1:
1. What they think they must do:
o Obligatory Actions: People often engage in actions they perceive as mandatory due to societal, legal, or moral obligations. This can be explained by theories of duty and obligation in deontological ethics (Kantian ethics being a prime example).
o Reference: Kant, I. (1785). Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals.
2. What they think they should do:
o Normative Actions: Actions driven by normative beliefs about what is right or appropriate, often shaped by cultural norms, personal values, or ethical considerations.
o Reference: Schwartz, S. H. (1977). Normative Influences on Altruism. In L. Berkowitz (Ed.), Advances in Experimental Social Psychology (Vol. 10, pp. 221-279).
3. What they think will make them happy:
o Hedonic Motivation: Pursuing activities expected to increase personal happiness or pleasure is central to theories of hedonism and utility in psychology and economics.
o Reference: Kahneman, D., Diener, E., & Schwarz, N. (1999). Well-being: The Foundations of Hedonic Psychology.
4. What they think will ease or avoid pain:
o Pain Avoidance: Behavioral psychology posits that much of human behavior is driven by the desire to avoid discomfort or pain, aligning with theories of operant conditioning (Skinner).
o Reference: Skinner, B. F. (1953). Science and Human Behavior.